Good thing you guys are fixing issues right away, but why isn't this being caught in testing. Such frequent updates would keep me from suggesting Unraid to customers.
Updated from 7.1.3 to 7.1.4. No issues. System info in signature.

Edited June 22, 20251 yr by JustOverride

1 hour ago, JustOverride said:

but why isn't this being caught in testing

Sorry, but I'm getting pretty tired of seeing such comments. The unraid team isn't that big that they can't test a new build for every single thing that may surface during beta/rc releases. They and the rest of the community (us) are dependent on users testing the betas and rc releases for bugs. While testing betas and rc releases may not be in everyone's interest, and are waiting for the rest of the community to iron out the kinks. Bugs will slip through the cracks and appear in stable releases. This is and will always be the case, forever. Even Microsoft Windows, which is used by billions of users, has bugs slipping through the cracks in stable releases, despite having millions of testers in the Windows Insider program. Therefore, I don't have sympathy for users who make such comments. Sorry for the rant, but I just couldn't bite my tongue seeing at least a couple of similar comments in this thread.

Thank you for this release, and keep up the good work! :)

16 minutes ago, strike said:

Sorry, but I'm getting pretty tired of seeing such comments. The unraid team isn't that big that they can't test a new build for every single thing that may surface during beta/rc releases. They and the rest of the community (us) are dependent on users testing the betas and rc releases for bugs. While testing betas and rc releases may not be in everyone's interest, and are waiting for the rest of the community to iron out the kinks......

Thank you for this release, and keep up the good work! :)

Absolutely and completely agree but I highlighted additional issues with this exact problem in the 7.1.3/7.1.2 threads:

The betas and RCs are currently buried in the Bug Reports sub area. I don't think the majority of users even realize it's there which means they're missing opportunities to have the option to help test. Back in the day, these releases were also kept here in this sub so it was very clear that you had the opportunity to engage in cutting edge releases. However, I suspect an attempt to control bug feedback lead to pushing these pre-release threads into the Bug sub forum. This leads to the other issue I highlighted...

The current licensing model does not allow a user to effectively engage in testing unless they have a valid license which you would assume they are using for their production servers. I personally have 2 production servers and both now serve fairly important purposes so I can't use them for pre-releases or somewhat questionable official releases.

The only way I've thought of helping is this new crusade I have to get adopters to share more meaningful system specs along with feedback when they participate in these official releases.

I'm actually going to make a thread in a day or 2 in the forum feedback area (once I've really thought on this) to try to get some proper eyes on it and hopefully issue some meaningfully help and tamp down some of the negative posts I've seen lately about these releases.

From 7.1.3 to 7.1.4 destroyed all my docker containers (see screenshot)
Try to fixing it right now

(Downgrading again did not help)

On 6/20/2025 at 12:54 AM, nekromantik said:

Can't see console as lost idrac password so now have to buy monitor and can't use server till then:😭

lol, takes less than 30 seconds to reset the iDRAC. Sounds like you'll have to reset it anyway so why waste money buying a monitor?

Also, perhaps setup Vaultwarden on the server once you regain access?

11 hours ago, cj0r said:

It'll help earn confidence of potential upgraders along with helping to identify patterns of problematic hardware

Back in my day, we'd call that 'beta testing'

3 hours ago, Michael_P said:

Back in my day, we'd call that 'beta testing'

Don't cherry pick a single line from one of my posts; read the others as well and leave the snark at the door. Unraid/limetech has always relied on the community to actively beta test in an effort to fill these gaps and prep for the major/minor releases. However, they've shot themselves in the foot by relocating the beta/rc threads and moving to the new license model so there is barely any participation now.

It's absolutely impossible for a company so small to be able to test a wide variety of hardware which is one of the core reasons I and many others are using Unraid in the first place...hardware freedom. However, with being able to have complete control over the hardware we use, we must also accept that there's going to be risk towards compatibility and stability.

Edited June 22, 20251 yr by cj0r

Upgrade the Backup Server. No problems encountered. (To be fair, both of my servers are basic NAS boxes with a single NIC so there is nothing unusual about either of them!)

Edited June 22, 20251 yr by Frank1940

Upgraded the test system, qemu VM. Borg and others with out issues.

I will stay away from updating to 7.1.4 because 7.1.3 is working fine and it seems that 7.1.4 is "not the last update" in this "network-case" 🤣

21 hours ago, strike said:

23 hours ago, JustOverride said:

but why isn't this being caught in testing

Sorry, but I'm getting pretty tired of seeing such comments. The unraid team isn't that big that they can't test a new build for every single thing that may surface during beta/rc releases.

7.1.4 is the 7th release since 7.0.0 was released on January 9, 2025. 164 days, which is a bug fix a month averaging every 27 days.

Unraid is a server application, which for many people stability is a primary concern. It is impossible for many (myself included) to have any confidence in updating when watching the issues multiple users have experienced in release after release of Unraid 7. Yes, it was a big undertaking and has major changes.

That Unraid is a small group is not an acceptable response for the needed fixes to the application. If it needed to take more time or deliver less enhancements/features, to match the resources the Unraid team has available, perhaps this would of been a better path to have taken.

21 minutes ago, ConnerVT said:

7.1.4 is the 7th release since 7.0.0 was released on January 9, 2025. 164 days, which is a bug fix a month averaging every 27 days.

Unraid is a server application, which for many people stability is a primary concern. It is impossible for many (myself included) to have any confidence in updating when watching the issues multiple users have experienced in release after release of Unraid 7. Yes, it was a big undertaking and has major changes.

That Unraid is a small group is not an acceptable response for the needed fixes to the application. If it needed to take more time or deliver less enhancements/features, to match the resources the Unraid team has available, perhaps this would of been a better path to have taken.

What I've learned over the years using UnRaid is two things:

1: You can never please everyone. Some want fewer updates, and some want more. I can almost guarantee you that there will be a post in the forums very soon, "When will unriad 8 come out?". As well as post as "ugh, another release, I'll have to reboot AGAIN".. People are different and have different needs. Unraid started as a media server software, and at its core, it remains that for most users. If you need a stable server software with updates once or twice a year for businesses or similar purposes, then maybe you don't have the right software for you.

2: There will be bugs, even in stable releases. So either take part in testing and squash bugs, or wait until there's a .5 or .6 release if you want stability. Then you don't need to reboot as often :) I'm surprised you haven't learned this yet, I know you have been here for a few years.

I, for one, have nothing but praise to say about Unraid and the team behind it. And the release cycle suits my needs well. Perfect balance between new features, bug fixes, and stability. That's my opinion anyway.

Edited June 23, 20251 yr by strike

On 6/20/2025 at 11:56 AM, cj0r said:

Mind taking a moment to share system specs of your systems? It could encourage a similar user to upgrade as well. I plan on doing my 2nd system today and listing results too (putting money where mouth is).

Add to your signature afterwards to save time in the future from having to type them out each upgrade.

"LittleBox" - ASRock Z690M-ITX/ax - CPU: i5-12500T - RAM:64GB - LAN: 2.5G - Pool1: 2x1TB SATA SSD ZFS Mirror - Pool2: 6x4TB SATA SSD ZFS RaidZ1 - Array: 4x18TB + 4x14TB HDDs (Dual Parity)

"MiniBox1" - TerraMaster F8 Plus - CPU: i3-N305 - RAM:16GB - LAN: 10G - Pool1: 8x4TB NVMe SSD ZFS Raidz1

"MiniBox2" - TerraMaster F8 Plus - CPU: i3-N305 - RAM:16GB - LAN: 10G - Pool1: 4x4TB NVMe SSD ZFS Raidz1 - Pool2: 4x1TB NVMe ZFS Raidz1

Unraid 7.1.4-rc.1 upgrade to Unraid 7.1.4 without issue.

I'm one of the people that was affected by the Network issues. I'm happy to say that 7.1.4-rc.1 corrected my issues and I'm thrilled by the openness of the Unraid developers and there rapid responses to issues. I used to run TrueNAS and one is much more on their own when there is a bug and the community on the forums is always falting you rather than keeping an open mind to help identify issues and even when a bug is identified, it's a very long wait.

For those that are concerned about stability and the possibility of stepping on a bug, then use the old tried and true method of waiting for months till upgrading when you have a stable system.

10 hours ago, strike said:

What I've learned over the years using UnRaid is two things:

1: You can never please everyone.....

Wholeheartedly agree. Some of these comments I would expect in the path of exile release threads but not here...

Historically, Unraid and the community has always been a mutualistic relationship. Unraid does their best to deliver, the community steps in to pull it apart and find issues that need to be resolved because of the massively diverse hardware base. I personally use recycled but dated hardware because I know it is track record proven to be stable and I don't have to worry much about it. Newer users may not understand that because they're coming from bigger (and usually more restrictive) software suites but that's how it has always been here.

If you're unsure of a new release, and there isn't any specific security reasons to accelerate an upgrade, then you don't lose much by holding back on upgrade. Don't let FOMO take over. Have we learned nothing from the lessons that Nvidia and AMD drivers have taught us over the past 15+ years? 🤣

In an effort to stop flooding this thread with logistical issues unrelated to 7.1.4, I have created a new Forum Feedback thread that maybe we can all take this convo to:

https://forums.unraid.net/topic/191420-suggestions-for-addressing-the-lack-of-confidence-in-recent-releases/

Edited June 23, 20251 yr by cj0r

@strike We can agree to disagree.

@cj0r I appreciate how you're trying to help the process, but it is honestly a bit of hassle to note all of that. The best way to receive this information from most people is if the barrier is very quick and simple. I suggest that a 'feedback' button be added somewhere in unraid that we can use to notify the team if the update was successful or not (and note). This should automatically just grab the system info, dockers/VM's/Plugins (w.e isn't excluded by the user for privacy). Maybe all this button does is grab all that info and our notes and add it to a thread in the forum.

7.1.3 --> 7.1.4 and no problems encountered.

Haven't posted in a while but logged in to +1 this one. Brilliant idea to make it easier for developers to broaden the information they gather and more reliably identify hardware that new releases create problems with. Even better if it is a function that collects the hardware and software running before the update is done, flags those systems that do not complete the update as likely affected by bugs and asks for a simple feedback from those where the update finished successfully plus optional feedback after 24 hours or whenever the user logs in again. Obviously with an opt-out for people who are worried about privacy.
And yes, the rather large bugs in recent releases are an issue, so it would also be great to bundle the feature above with a secondary feature that allows people to defer updates until all possible issues with their respective hardware components are ironed out.

On 6/23/2025 at 7:17 PM, JustOverride said:

I suggest that a 'feedback' button be added somewhere in unraid that we can use to notify the team if the update was successful or not (and note). This should automatically just grab the system info, dockers/VM's/Plugins (w.e isn't excluded by the user for privacy).

7.1.2 -> 7.1.4

One minor glitch: When I logged into the server and it showed me the Main page of the GUI, the "UNRAID" logo/text was there twice and the version number overlaid the "Dashboard" link, making it unclickable.
I clicked on "Dockers" (after noting some people having issues there), didn't see any issues and noted that the display glitch was gone. I've clicked through several other tabs and the glitch remains gone.

I used to have a really nice signature with all my hardware, dockers & plugins, but I lost access to my old forum account in one of the forum updates and haven't bothered to rebuild it, so this'll do:

As to the complaints about UNRAID's release cycle, I for one am thrilled that they find & fix critical bugs very quickly. Sure, many don't apply to me, but at least I know that if one ever does, the odds of it getting fixed rapidly are very good indeed. The upgrade process (since v5) couldn't be easier, and I've often wished that whoever does the upgrade process here would go fix the process for Windows. I've dealt with Windows updates that refused to apply themselves after a dozen tries. Also, UNRAID pops up an upgrade notice & gives you the option to ignore this upgrade. Where Windows nags you every few days to update & reboot.

Something strange with 7.1.4:

I had the original plex docker running in host mode for years. last night it suddenly became unreachable.

I recreated the docker but as a host i just can't get to the user interface anymore. the docker is running though.

I gave it its own ip with custom:br0 and it is reachable again. Strange. The same thing happened to me with 7.1.3 with the smokeping docker.

Now with 7.1.4 another strange change in the behavior of a docker.

Maybe just a coincidence, but why should a Docker no longer be able to use host mode?

-faxxe

raider-diagnostics-20250627-1541.zip

Edited June 28, 20251 yr by faxxe71

7.1.3 -> 7.1.4 seems fine. Nothing exploded yet.

Hardware: AsRock B550 Phantom Gaming 4 / AMD AM4 Ryzen 5 4600G 3700Mhz / 16GB DDR4-2133 RAM

I am seriously considering upgrading from 6.12.15 > 7.1.4. But before I do so, I wanted to see if anyone else had an identical upgrade path that went smoothly?

I currently rely on Macvlan and custom bri networks for dockers with static IP's.

Also, anything out of the ordinary to call out before I move forward with upgrade?

Edited June 28, 20251 yr by gurulee

Upgraded from 7.1.2 to 7.1.4 and containers using custom/br0 to have an own IP in the host's subnet lost that ability (did not start). Docker settings show's the custom docker network has now ip-range from those private docker networks (gw still the original). Also Docker settings screen went corrupt and did not allow to re-enable docker. Sounds a bit like usb memory corruption, but there is no other signs of that. Downgrade went ok and now everything works again.

"Normally Docker does not allow Docker containers to directly access the same subnet as the one used by the host. You can allow this under Settings → Docker by changing Host access to custom networks from disabled to enabled."

I thought that setting was for the host to access containers network, not the other way around. So enabling this setting the original ability is restored in 7.1.4?

On 6/21/2025 at 11:45 PM, strike said:

  On 6/21/2025 at 10:08 PM, JustOverride said:

but why isn't this being caught in testing

Sorry, but I'm getting pretty tired of seeing such comments. The unraid team isn't that big that they can't test a new build for every single thing that may surface during beta/rc releases. They and the rest of the community (us) are dependent on users testing the betas and rc releases for bugs. While testing betas and rc releases may not be in everyone's interest, and are waiting for the rest of the community to iron out the kinks. Bugs will slip through the cracks and appear in stable releases. This is and will always be the case, forever. Even Microsoft Windows, which is used by billions of users, has bugs slipping through the cracks in stable releases, despite having millions of testers in the Windows Insider program. Therefore, I don't have sympathy for users who make such comments. Sorry for the rant, but I just couldn't bite my tongue seeing at least a couple of similar comments in this thread.

Sorry you are tired of Unraid users expressing their opinions and experiences on the Unraid Discussion forum.

What are people thinking? Oh, never mind, we shouldn't say...

2 minutes ago, ConnerVT said:

Sorry you are tired of Unraid users expressing their opinions and experiences on the Unraid Discussion forum.

What are people thinking? Oh, never mind, we shouldn't say...

That wasn't at all what I was saying, and you know that.