Commercial???  Hardly.  This is one mans pet project.  Its clear that he does not spend that much time on it.  Look at how long development has been on 5.0.

Doesn't negate the fact that it's a damn good product though...?

unRAID stable releases work as advertised, and have let me down. I don't hesitate recommending unRAID to those looking for media storage or backup/archival systems. Any software should be purchased on what it does now, not what it may do in the future.

Its clear that he does not spend that much time on it...

 

I'm not so sure this is a fair statement.  As a fellow single developer of a globalized application, I can speak to the fact that not everything is up front and visible for the end user.  Unless someone knows something first-hand about what Tom is up to, I would prefer to respect his priorities and not assume he's back-burnering this project.

http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=13120.0

I've seen this thread many times, and I go back and fourth on this one, but I finally decided I'll post my $0.02. Old thread I know, but I, like very one else, am still waiting for 5 to go stable.

 

Auggie is right. This isn't some freeware, open source project that we have to wait until the author decides he feels like working on it. We all paid money for this product and as paying customers, we are owed some information as to what is going on. I appreciate what Tom is going through as I develop software on my own and it's hard work - and there are times when you just let it sit for a few weeks because you're not interested. But I don't change money for my pet projects - and well.. you get what you pay for.

 

The reality is that I paid a lot more for unRAID than I did for OSX Lion, and it would be unacceptable if Apple didn't fix major bugs quickly, stick to their announced release schedule or neglect to keep documentation up to date. I know Apple is a large company, but the point is there are some expectations when you pay for things.

 

Don't get me wrong.. I'm not criticizing unRAID or the work Tom is doing as I love the product, but I do feel that if he is unable to deliver in the timeframe he plans to that he either needs to hire some assistance with the income from sales (I know it's probably not much), or make the product free and open up the code to the community and let more of us help him. I know several of us would be happy to pitch in some hours on adding features.

 

UnRAID is great.. but this pay and "wait and see what happens" structure is a hard sell to my colleagues or customers. At the very least, keeping the road map up-to-date with what is going on, what features are being worked on, and a living release date schedule is something that should be a priority for customer service.

 

I'm not trying to start a revolt against Tom here - but this is how I feel, and I'd be interested to know how others feel about it.

 

Cheers,

 

whiteatom

hello all,

i agree totally with whiteatom specially on the fact that we should have a visibility on the roadmap: at that time i've a huge server configured with unraid-13beta but i'm waiting a stable version before paying for it. If version 5 stable is planned in 3 months then i would go to WHS instead. If version 5 comes out in a few weeks then i wait for it to pay.

Does anyone know if beta13 is the last beta before version 5 stable?

rgds

Pierre

hello all,

i agree totally with whiteatom specially on the fact that we should have a visibility on the roadmap: at that time i've a huge server configured with unraid-13beta but i'm waiting a stable version before paying for it. If version 5 stable is planned in 3 months then i would go to WHS instead. If version 5 comes out in a few weeks then i wait for it to pay.

Does anyone know if beta13 is the last beta before version 5 stable?

rgds

Pierre

If your that set on a time frame, then move to WHS

 

If your that set on a time frame, then move to WHS

 

I think you missed the point of the post.  I think he is asking for a response from Tom to get needed information to make an "informed" decision.  The fact that he stated a time frame says that he knows what he wants/needs, now he needs the information to make the decision.

 

 

 

 

 

If your that set on a time frame, then move to WHS

 

I think you missed the point of the post.  I think he is asking for a response from Tom to get needed information to make an "informed" decision.  The fact that he stated a time frame says that he knows what he wants/needs, now he needs the information to make the decision.

 

No, I did not miss the point of the post... and my previous statement still stands.

As prostuff and Tom have made clear many times, unRAID beta's are ready when they are ready.

 

Everyone is waiting for a stable release of 5 but nobody should be pushing for it to be released until it is 100% stable and polished.

 

After all, MS did that and look at the difference between Vista & 7

I've seen this thread many times, and I go back and fourth on this one, but I finally decided I'll post my $0.02. Old thread I know, but I, like very one else, am still waiting for 5 to go stable.

 

Auggie is right. This isn't some freeware, open source project that we have to wait until the author decides he feels like working on it. We all paid money for this product and as paying customers, we are owed some information as to what is going on. I appreciate what Tom is going through as I develop software on my own and it's hard work - and there are times when you just let it sit for a few weeks because you're not interested. But I don't change money for my pet projects - and well.. you get what you pay for.

 

The reality is that I paid a lot more for unRAID than I did for OSX Lion, and it would be unacceptable if Apple didn't fix major bugs quickly, stick to their announced release schedule or neglect to keep documentation up to date. I know Apple is a large company, but the point is there are some expectations when you pay for things.

 

Don't get me wrong.. I'm not criticizing unRAID or the work Tom is doing as I love the product, but I do feel that if he is unable to deliver in the timeframe he plans to that he either needs to hire some assistance with the income from sales (I know it's probably not much), or make the product free and open up the code to the community and let more of us help him. I know several of us would be happy to pitch in some hours on adding features.

 

UnRAID is great.. but this pay and "wait and see what happens" structure is a hard sell to my colleagues or customers. At the very least, keeping the road map up-to-date with what is going on, what features are being worked on, and a living release date schedule is something that should be a priority for customer service.

 

I'm not trying to start a revolt against Tom here - but this is how I feel, and I'd be interested to know how others feel about it.

 

Cheers,

 

whiteatom

 

 

I suggest Tom open up this to public code. Tom has certainly made money off of what he could with 4.7, and I doubt many people are buying that version anymore since it lacks support for larger drives and such. If I knew I couldn't provide updates or new code and don't really care anymore about the project I would happily open it up to the public license. Not one of those projects where anyone and everyone can make changes and release it, but a real public license where a release has to go through processes and procedure before letting it go to the public. Like Sickbeard or Sabnzbd. I truly love unraid and what it has given me, I don't want to leave this community and I hope things get better.

 

I've seen this thread many times, and I go back and fourth on this one, but I finally decided I'll post my $0.02. Old thread I know, but I, like very one else, am still waiting for 5 to go stable.

 

Auggie is right. This isn't some freeware, open source project that we have to wait until the author decides he feels like working on it. We all paid money for this product and as paying customers, we are owed some information as to what is going on. I appreciate what Tom is going through as I develop software on my own and it's hard work - and there are times when you just let it sit for a few weeks because you're not interested. But I don't change money for my pet projects - and well.. you get what you pay for.

 

The reality is that I paid a lot more for unRAID than I did for OSX Lion, and it would be unacceptable if Apple didn't fix major bugs quickly, stick to their announced release schedule or neglect to keep documentation up to date. I know Apple is a large company, but the point is there are some expectations when you pay for things.

 

Don't get me wrong.. I'm not criticizing unRAID or the work Tom is doing as I love the product, but I do feel that if he is unable to deliver in the timeframe he plans to that he either needs to hire some assistance with the income from sales (I know it's probably not much), or make the product free and open up the code to the community and let more of us help him. I know several of us would be happy to pitch in some hours on adding features.

 

UnRAID is great.. but this pay and "wait and see what happens" structure is a hard sell to my colleagues or customers. At the very least, keeping the road map up-to-date with what is going on, what features are being worked on, and a living release date schedule is something that should be a priority for customer service.

 

I'm not trying to start a revolt against Tom here - but this is how I feel, and I'd be interested to know how others feel about it.

 

Cheers,

 

whiteatom

 

 

I suggest Tom open up this to public code. Tom has certainly made money off of what he could with 4.7, and I doubt many people are buying that version anymore since it lacks support for larger drives and such. If I knew I couldn't provide updates or new code and don't really care anymore about the project I would happily open it up to the public license. Not one of those projects where anyone and everyone can make changes and release it, but a real public license where a release has to go through processes and procedure before letting it go to the public. Like Sickbeard or Sabnzbd. I truly love unraid and what it has given me, I don't want to leave this community and I hope things get better.

 

 

The MD driver is available as part of the distribution, You can always create your own management interface.

<rant>

as a fellow developer i understand some of the dynamics that may be affecting tom's development.

 

- it is difficult to maintain two code lines (4.7 & 5 beta). if you are a single developer you must choose where to put your time. do you spend the bulk of it on new development (which is better in the long run) or shore up the 4.7 code line (which yields no long-term benefit).

 

- what bug fixes must be back-ported to the 4.7 code? backports are some times cheap (just cut & paste from the beta version) and some can be really expensive (partial rewrite of the old prod version)

 

- and do you get developers to help you write code? in the short term you could code around the problem in the time it took you to explain the problem to that new developer. new developers can really slow you down in the short term. and can you trust the quality of their work?

 

- i am sure tom is fiercely dedicated to this project. if he wasnt it could not have been all it is today. something like unraid cannot be created without some serious focus and dedication and basic 'smarts'

 

- and listening to folks complain probably is not easy for tom to hear and he likely feels caught between the proverbial rock & hard place right now.

 

all that being said, i also understand the frustration of the user community (myself included). why was the fix for the corruption issue not backported to 4.7? i paid good money for the product expect (want?) more.

 

but the situation is what it is. there are no bad guys. and we do have a great product in Unraid

 

</rant>

 

steve

 

Is this a updated roadmap?

 

http://download.lime-technology.com/develop/infusions/aw_todo/project.php?id=1&view=roadmap

 

 

 

 

 

No. That hasn't been updated in ages (months if not an entire year).

Now that 5.0 is nearly final, is there are chance of an updated roadmap?

Now that 5.0 is nearly final, is there are chance of an updated roadmap?

HUGE +1

+1

 

Most frustration is simply down to communication (not unraid - pretty much everything !), or a lack of it. People complain about what they dont know and make stuff up to fill in the gaps (positive or negative depending on their perspective). An up to date roadmap so people can see what is and is not planned and a few words of update each month on "where the are we with 5" would help a lot and an update would take less that 1 min per month to type.

 

This is a great OS and this is one of the best forums i have been on for help and support but it needs some to keep it accurate and current

 

Just a view ......

Now that 5.0 is nearly final, is there are chance of an updated roadmap?

 

1 year later...

please give us P+Q

please give us P+Q

 

This. Many other fileservers have this now, see freenas, snapraid. To be honest with hard drives getting as big as they are this is becoming an essential feature. I have replaced two drives recently due to failures. I had to grit my teeth through the 15 hr rebuild of 3 TB without any additional protection. This is the main reason I am considering jumping ship to snapraid.

 

I could care less about features like cache pools. Sorry. Hard drives are fast enough nowadays anyway..I can write to my array at 40 MB/s. I don't even use a cache drive any longer.

Tom are you still using the roadmap here?

http://download.lime-technology.com/develop/infusions/aw_todo/project.php?id=1&view=roadmap

 

If so, maybe 'Build a 64-bit kernel  Feature' needs to be moved from 'Never' to 'Someday Maybe', or some target version.

 

There are other things which need to be added such as updating smartmon tools, hdparm and extfs tools.

 

There are other projects on the list, which possibly could be farmed out to the community, but 64-bit and supporting tools is something that only limetech can do.

please give us P+Q

 

This. Many other fileservers have this now, see freenas, snapraid. To be honest with hard drives getting as big as they are this is becoming an essential feature. I have replaced two drives recently due to failures. I had to grit my teeth through the 15 hr rebuild of 3 TB without any additional protection. This is the main reason I am considering jumping ship to snapraid.

 

I could care less about features like cache pools. Sorry. Hard drives are fast enough nowadays anyway..I can write to my array at 40 MB/s. I don't even use a cache drive any longer.

 

This. I will have only 5 drives starting coming weekend but expanding beyond 5 i'd want the comfort of P+Q already as well. I've had 2 disks fail in the last year out of 4 new ones purchased. Luckily neither were part of my unraid server..  In my view this feature should be on the top spot in the roadmap. (Not a paying customer yet with 3 disks but getting pro 2-pack somewhere this week as i've been very happy with my unraid setup )

 

These new bigger drives may be put together much better then past drives but the mechanical parts are smaller as well with higher data storage densities. They're clearly more prone to failure.

 

Question to Tom: Is the roadmap up to date? E.g. >2TB support is still showing as open under 5.0 Beta 4 though implemented ages ago (?).

+1 for P+Q