July 22, 201510 yr @mejutty & HellDiverUK, this is pretty arrogant. You might want to test and explain it to a person who is looking at that max. every 2nd month....calling these people "stupid" is not how we should communicate here If a person cannot follow those 6 simple steps, then I'm sorry if you think I'm being arrogant, but that person shouldn't be allowed out of the house on their own, or allowed near a computer. If you don't like that truth, well, I can give you two keypresses that solve the issue. One button has "Alt" written on it, and the other has "F4". Press both together, problem solved.
July 22, 201510 yr I never called anyone stupid and I offered a solution whereby a powerdown button could be provided by the user themselves. Can I just point out that people who are not interested in arrays parity or servers have pretty much purchased the wrong product because this is exactly what this product is and if you have purchased it and then want someone who doesn't understand what they are doing to shut it down but want someone else to make it easy for you well the go for it but like it has been pointed out if a persons wife can browse ebay for a pair of shoes, do online banking or shop online in macy's or simply browse tiffany's website it just isn't that hard. Shirts come labelled these days with a warning not to be ironed while wearing them because people need to be spoon fed to stop them doing something stupid and to make sure they are doing the correct thing. My server is protected by a UPS and if you are that concerned about your array being shutdown cleanly then you should have one as well. This then already gives you a big clean shutdown power button called a power point which invokes the inbuilt clean shutdown. I have never asked and will probably never asked my wife to go into my arrays webpage because even if there is a nice shiny button that says power off what are the chances of them hitting something else instead??
July 22, 201510 yr If you don't like that truth, well, I can give you two keypresses that solve the issue. One button has "Alt" written on it, and the other has "F4". Press both together, problem solved. That's pretty ignorant mate, I use a Mac. My view is this. If a software feature can be made easier to use for everyone, without removing any features, then why hasn't it been done already? There's no benefit in having 5 steps if you can have 1 to achieve the same result. The above should apply globally, I'm not nitpicking about any particular feature here.
July 22, 201510 yr If you don't like that truth, well, I can give you two keypresses that solve the issue. One button has "Alt" written on it, and the other has "F4". Press both together, problem solved. That's pretty ignorant mate, I use a Mac. My view is this. If a software feature can be made easier to use for everyone, without removing any features, then why hasn't it been done already? There's no benefit in having 5 steps if you can have 1 to achieve the same result. The above should apply globally, I'm not nitpicking about any particular feature here. cmd-Q, lol. @whoever used the "s word" , not good, not good at all.
July 22, 201510 yr Ok, so your server runs on 18w. Mine most certainly does not even though I will admit it is frugal (HP Microserver Gen 8 ) I live in Germany, electricity prices are completely different. Then there is the wear on hard drives, memory and other parts. I am not arguing with your right to reboot your server every day. But I don't agree that frequent rebooting is saving wear and tear on your components. Powering down means cooling all of your electronic devices and then reheating on reboot. I could argue there is nothing more stressful on the server than a powerdown, cooldown, and powerup. Hard drives spin down, and in their spun down state there is no mechanical wear and tear. Clearly there is a break even point. (It would be better to leave the server powered down if you weren't going to use it for a month.) But where is the break even point - I am not sure. But I believe that powering down daily is not saving wear and tear. ... But I'm living in a country where everyone turns the shower off/on rather than running it constantly when showering. I turn off the water in the shower between rinses (or at least turn the pressure down to almost nothing). Hot water is expensive and then there is the courtesy of leaving more for others. But I leave my server running 24x7!
July 22, 201510 yr Haven't you seen the buttons at the top ? Is this available in release 6.0.1? I don't see it on my servers. Of course, I do have the optional Powerdown plugin installed and that could be the reason. Perhaps, you could clarify.
July 22, 201510 yr +1 ++1 ++1? In programming, "++i" is the equivalet of "i=i+1", meaning your are incrementing the value of i. So, ++1 is incrementing the value of 1. That would make 1==2. This would like mess up the universe and I do not recommend it. ;D
July 22, 201510 yr Ok, so your server runs on 18w. Mine most certainly does not even though I will admit it is frugal (HP Microserver Gen 8 ) I live in Germany, electricity prices are completely different. Then there is the wear on hard drives, memory and other parts. I am not arguing with your right to reboot your server every day. But I don't agree that frequent rebooting is saving wear and tear on your components. Powering down means cooling all of your electronic devices and then reheating on reboot. I could argue there is nothing more stressful on the server than a powerdown, cooldown, and powerup. Hard drives spin down, and in their spun down state there is no mechanical wear and tear. Clearly there is a break even point. (It would be better to leave the server powered down if you weren't going to use it for a month.) But where is the break even point - I am not sure. But I believe that powering down daily is not saving wear and tear. ... But I'm living in a country where everyone turns the shower off/on rather than running it constantly when showering. I turn off the water in the shower between rinses (or at least turn the pressure down to almost nothing). Hot water is expensive and then there is the courtesy of leaving more for others. But I leave my server running 24x7! i don't advise showering with your server .... lol.
July 22, 201510 yr Haven't you seen the buttons at the top ? Is this available in release 6.0.1? I don't see it on my servers. Of course, I do have the optional Powerdown plugin installed and that could be the reason. Perhaps, you could clarify. Found it!!!!! See here: http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=36543.msg395881#msg395881 and: http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=36543.msg339559#msg339559
July 22, 201510 yr Haven't you seen the buttons at the top ? Is this available in release 6.0.1? I don't see it on my servers. Of course, I do have the optional Powerdown plugin installed and that could be the reason. Perhaps, you could clarify. Found it!!!!! See here: http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=36543.msg395881#msg395881 and: http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=36543.msg339559#msg339559 I started with a mock-up, but decided to make it a real thing
July 22, 201510 yr Haven't you seen the buttons at the top ? Is this available in release 6.0.1? I don't see it on my servers. Of course, I do have the optional Powerdown plugin installed and that could be the reason. Perhaps, you could clarify. Found it!!!!! See here: http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=36543.msg395881#msg395881 and: http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=36543.msg339559#msg339559 I started with a mock-up, but decided to make it a real thing This addition will improve the recent signal-to-noise ratio of this thread!
July 22, 201510 yr ... 1. Shortcut to web interface 2. Click the Main tab 3. Click the check mark beside the "Stop" button 4. Click the Stop button 5. Click the check mark beside the "Shutdown" button 6. Click the Shutdown button. ... Perhaps somewhat moot with the recent reveal of the Dynamix System Buttons, but I thought I would point out that it is possible to eliminate step 3 and step 5 by going to Settings - Confirmation Settings.
July 22, 201510 yr ... 1. Shortcut to web interface 2. Click the Main tab 3. Click the check mark beside the "Stop" button 4. Click the Stop button 5. Click the check mark beside the "Shutdown" button 6. Click the Shutdown button. ... Perhaps somewhat moot with the recent reveal of the Dynamix System Buttons, but I thought I would point out that it is possible to eliminate step 3 and step 5 by going to Settings - Confirmation Settings. You can also eliminate step 2 by having a shortcut to the Main tab. A 3 step process. All that button pushing. Excruciating. Not that I don't think Powerdown would be a good addition to the basic package. I would have liked to see it get added for use with the APCUPSD support.
July 22, 201510 yr The Gen8 uses power for ILO4 even when powered off, so to save electricity, you need to power it off at the wall. I have one and before it becomes an unRAID server, I have been powering it off at the wall. I'm sure my network switch uses more power, overall though... [emoji16]
July 22, 201510 yr Well the problem I am having since moving to v6 is the gui isn't available anymore after about an hours time. Hence no buttons and needing a way to cleanly shut the server down. I have since installed the powerdown plugin, but that doesn't solve the issue I am having of the gui going down.
July 22, 201510 yr The Gen8 uses power for ILO4 even when powered off, so to save electricity, you need to power it off at the wall. I have one and before it becomes an unRAID server, I have been powering it off at the wall. I'm sure my network switch uses more power, overall though... [emoji16] I'd been wondering what all those flashing lights are when powered off Nah seriously, I hate having stuff turned on when it's not necessary... something I must have inherited from my father growing up in the north of England
July 22, 201510 yr No changes needed in the webgui, as already stated you just need to stop array and then use the Reboot or Powerdown buttons. When doing this, the server will shutdown safely, as it should. The issue is if you do not have a webgui available, then you must have the powerdown script installed so you can use the console to powerdown the server. If no powerdown script, you are screwed (unless you know all the commands to safely stop and shutdown from the console). The powerdown script for console should be included in v6. Until it is, why can't we just install the old powerdown script? Is there a v6 plugin for the powerdown script?
July 22, 201510 yr My understanding here - and I readily admit it has been years since I looked in to this - was even when using the Web UI to perform a powerdown, if there were files open, or processes running, then these would not be shut down cleanly and could lead to a hanging UI. Hence the need for the powerdown script.
July 22, 201510 yr My understanding here - and I readily admit it has been years since I looked in to this - was even when using the Web UI to perform a powerdown, if there were files open, or processes running, then these would not be shut down cleanly and could lead to a hanging UI. Hence the need for the powerdown script. Yep. And part (or most) of the reason limetech is resistant about adding the powerdown script is the mantra of do no harm. If there is a file open on the server, the proper response is to tell the application that has it open to close it, and save changes. If not, there could be data corruption or loss. There is no mechanism that I know of to talk back to a samba client and tell it, hey, I'm about to force this file to close, what do you want to do about it? So, that responsibility is on you to figure out what computer on the network or program on the server has a file open, and deal with it. When there are no files open, the server will shut down without a problem. This is a nuanced issue, and everybody has been yelling to "just make it shut down already", but nobody is saying anything about the possible negative consequenses of a forced shutdown. Data corruption and loss is pretty much what we expect unraid to protect against, and yet you are saying, damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
July 22, 201510 yr The powerdown script for console should be included in v6. Until it is, why can't we just install the old powerdown script? Is there a v6 plugin for the powerdown script? Powerdown for v6
July 22, 201510 yr My understanding here - and I readily admit it has been years since I looked in to this - was even when using the Web UI to perform a powerdown, if there were files open, or processes running, then these would not be shut down cleanly and could lead to a hanging UI. Hence the need for the powerdown script. Yep. And part (or most) of the reason limetech is resistant about adding the powerdown script is the mantra of do no harm. If there is a file open on the server, the proper response is to tell the application that has it open to close it, and save changes. If not, there could be data corruption or loss. There is no mechanism that I know of to talk back to a samba client and tell it, hey, I'm about to force this file to close, what do you want to do about it? So, that responsibility is on you to figure out what computer on the network or program on the server has a file open, and deal with it. When there are no files open, the server will shut down without a problem. This is a nuanced issue, and everybody has been yelling to "just make it shut down already", but nobody is saying anything about the possible negative consequenses of a forced shutdown. Data corruption and loss is pretty much what we expect unraid to protect against, and yet you are saying, damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead. And unRAID already stops dockers and VMs, and has a mechanism for plugin authors to use for shutting those down as well. That said, I do have the powerdown plugin installed since it writes syslogs to the flash when shutting down. V6 has not been nearly as prone to hanging as V5 in my experience.
July 23, 201510 yr ... something I must have inherited from my father growing up in the north of England Haha - I was born in Yorkshire, and spent most of my school years growing up there. The Yorkshireman is often described as being like a Scotsman, but without the generosity!
July 23, 201510 yr Just a quick post to say congratulations to the Limetech Team. I have been using unraid5 free version for some time as my storage needs were light, I then built a Windows server to take more advantage of my hardware and because I've not got the time to learn Linux at any kind of advanced level. I've been testing unRAID 6 for about a week and it has so far exceeded my expectations by a large margin. You have provided enough documentation and simplified the interface so much that I can now get somewhere with everything I try and with an hour or so extra effort seem to be able to crack it. I've got a VM working with GPU, Sound and USB pass through and two dockers running alongside. I am pretty much 100% converted!
July 23, 201510 yr Just a quick post to say congratulations to the Limetech Team. I have been using unraid5 free version for some time as my storage needs were light, I then built a Windows server to take more advantage of my hardware and because I've not got the time to learn Linux at any kind of advanced level. I've been testing unRAID 6 for about a week and it has so far exceeded my expectations by a large margin. You have provided enough documentation and simplified the interface so much that I can now get somewhere with everything I try and with an hour or so extra effort seem to be able to crack it. I've got a VM working with GPU, Sound and USB pass through and two dockers running alongside. I am pretty much 100% converted! Compared to a Windows server Unraid is a piece of cake. I'm an ex WHS 2011 user...
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