eXtremeSHOK Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Zfs on Linux, is not BSD zfs. Zfs on Linux is a near complete port and recode, many many optimizations. I am aware there is an addon, this is about native support. freenas is bsd, it’s not Linux kernel and not unraid. The argument to use freenas is counter productive it is the same as saying oh you want share files on a windows network (samba/cifs)... use Microsoft windows server. Quote Link to comment
JorgeB Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 22 minutes ago, eXtremeSHOK said: With regards to btrfs ... I highly doubt you are using any of the advanced features, if it’s the default install, you might aswell be using xfs. Atleast recovery will be possible. I am for several years now, on all my servers, backups are done with snapshots and then send/receive to another server, and never had any issues, agree that zfs is more stable, but btrfs has been stable for some time (if used on stable hardware), especially for single device filesystems, like Unraid arrays devices, raid profiles, do still have some issues, if devices drop, etc, especially raid5/6. Quote Link to comment
peterg23 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) I agree with the previous post by Ellis34771: Quote I have zero desire to use ZFS. I've looked at it. If I wanted it, I'd have gone with FreeNAS. I wouldn't mind if other storage options were to be added, but it sort of goes against what UnRAID is. (IMHO) I think at the moment ZFS would just introduce unwanted complexity for the majority of home users of Unraid, and think the Lime team would be better adding features such as Server to Server native backup/sync. I realize I might be in the minority here holding this view! 😎 Edited February 3, 2020 by peterg23 3 2 Quote Link to comment
Ellis34771 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, peterg23 said: I agree with the previous post by Ellis34771: I think at the moment ZFS would just introduce unwanted complexity for the majority of home users of Unraid, and think the Lime team would be better adding features such as Server to Server native backup/sync. I realize I might be in the minority here, holding this view! 😎 I am in agreement with you. Quote Link to comment
Marshalleq Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 4 hours ago, peterg23 said: I agree with the previous post by Ellis34771: I think at the moment ZFS would just introduce unwanted complexity for the majority of home users of Unraid, and think the Lime team would be better adding features such as Server to Server native backup/sync. I realize I might be in the minority here, holding this view! 😎 Compared to the complexity of managing BTRFS issues? - I'm not sure there's much of a difference. The only real reason BTRFS is included is to provide the ability to create a software mirror for cache. I've had a number of issues with that, including that it didn't actually set up the cache, even though it reported it did. This was later fixed in a firmware upgrade, so perhaps it was more configuration based. And you forget, it only introduces complexity if you decide to use it. It's only being asked that support is added, not that it is set to on by default. Though in my opinion it would be a far better, less complex and more reliable option to be the default cache. But hey, that's just me. Quote Link to comment
BRiT Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Not a fan of BTRFS but at least BTRFS doesn't bring legal issues with it like anything Oracle owns or touches, such as ZFS. I wouldnt touch anything Oracle if I was a company like Limetech. Quote Link to comment
Marshalleq Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 hour ago, BRiT said: Not a fan of BTRFS but at least BTRFS doesn't bring legal issues with it like anything Oracle owns or touches, such as ZFS. I wouldnt touch anything Oracle if I was a company like Limetech. I agree about not touching oracle software generally as a business - it's insanely expensive. However, the above no longer applies nowadays, sometimes people say it and it scares people off (which is helping no-one IMO) - you can read about it online - I've posted a few examples on it before on these forums. Others have noted the same, I'd suggest you haven't gone searching for the why we could, rather you've repeated the age old discussion on why we shouldn't. Things do move on. (No offence intended). Quote Link to comment
BRiT Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 You can't just dismiss the huge Oracle court system win concerning API Copyrights. If the court case isn't overturned, I have no doubts Oracle will unleash lawsuits everywhere over every thing they have APIs for including Java and ZFS. There is no way of moving on unless that court case is overturned. Quote Link to comment
Marshalleq Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 That's been going on for years and there's always an appeal. If you're going to look for reasons why not though, you will find them. There are plenty of those about all sorts of things on the unraid forums for example. Meanwhile, if you do look for examples of how you could, you will see those exist as well, and plenty of places are doing it. Kinda pointless discussion to be honest. Quote Link to comment
BRiT Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 I'm trying to see ways of how you could but keep running into legal issues. Perhaps you could share the way forward without running into legal issues that you found? Quote Link to comment
Marshalleq Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 I’ve posted about it here twice already. There are already other spots on the internet. Look up Ubuntu for example. I’m sorry that I’m not being overly helpful but I don’t wish to start a whole discussion on something and end up in a whole opinion piece that neither of us can win in the wrong thread. . But just google it. I found heaps. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment
BRiT Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) They did not solve the legal issue with Oracle, they're rolling the dice and hoping they wont be sued. Linus Torvalds own personal take on it: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linus-Says-No-To-ZFS-Linux https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-avoid-oracles-zfs-kernel-code-on-linux-until-litigious-larry-signs-off/ Edited February 3, 2020 by BRiT 1 Quote Link to comment
Marshalleq Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Without clicking the link to check it’s been widely commented on one of those that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about when it comes to stuff outside of the kernel. As in there were many incorrect statements in it. Like I said, if you look for the negatives. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment
Marshalleq Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 I’m just going to let this go now. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment
tknx Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Mainstreaming the nvidia build Snapshots 2 Quote Link to comment
spazmc Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 1. Multiple Array Pools A easy way to move data from one disk to another. To allow you to grow or shink array. So one could remove a failing drive and shrink array. And add replacement disk later to grow array. Quote Link to comment
mkfelidae Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 For what it is worth, there is a plug-in called UNBalance that allows you to move data off of an array drive into other drives. Quote Link to comment
spazmc Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) I know. At one time it was even available as a Docker. Edited February 8, 2020 by spazmc Quote Link to comment
Alex DeWolf Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 An installer that works with USB 3 and more USB thumb drives. 1 Quote Link to comment
iamgadgetman Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 I don't know if it's too difficult but I'd really love to cluster some unraid servers together so I could pool together docker instances and VM resources, as well as have separate physical location for physical drives. 2 Quote Link to comment
Ellis34771 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 40 minutes ago, iamgadgetman said: I don't know if it's too difficult but I'd really love to cluster some unraid servers together so I could pool together docker instances and VM resources, as well as have separate physical location for physical drives. That certainly wouldn't be simple in the least, but it would be wicked cool. I typically use SMB shares to mount to other servers so I can have a single access point for now. (I have a smaller server as well that I use UNRAID to "pass thru" to it) Quote Link to comment
bobmi Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Please! Add Chinese Interface Language Quote Link to comment
joshopkins Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 I would like to have time machine over smb native. Quote Link to comment
JustOverride Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 I would really like to see L2ARC implemented Quote Link to comment
cbr600ds2 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Maybe I'm just being simplistic but I would just rather be able to go over the 30 drive limit (unlimited hahaha). I love unraid and the ease of use and the fact that it lets you use random hard drives but the 30 drive limit is a bit of a bummer. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
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