SpencerJ Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Big News from NVIDIA Just a few hours ago, NVIDIA added an article to its support knowledge base regarding GPU passthrough support for Windows VMs. While we've supported this functionality for some time, it was done without official support from the vendor themselves. This move by NVIDIA to announce official support for this feature is a huge step in the right direction for all of our VM pass through users. This should also help instill confidence in users that wish to pass through these GPUs to virtual machines without the worry that a future driver update would break this functionality. Let us know what you think about this announcement here! 8 3 Quote Link to comment
ss1gohan13 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Best news of 2021 so far IMO 1 1 Quote Link to comment
GilbN Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 We like the announcement. 🚀🚀 1 Quote Link to comment
tjb_altf4 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Hopefully this opens up the possibility of SR-IOV at a later date 1 Quote Link to comment
ich777 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 7 hours ago, tjb_altf4 said: Hopefully this opens up the possibility of SR-IOV at a later date I don't think so because they also said: Quote Do you need to have more than one GPU installed or can you leverage the same GPU being used by the host OS for virtualization? One GPU is required for the Linux host OS and one GPU is required for the Windows virtual machine. and also: Quote What class of virtualization is supported on GeForce GPUs? GeForce GPU passthrough supports 1 virtual machine. SR-IOV is not supported on GeForce. If you want to enable multiple virtual machines to have direct access to a single GPU or want the GPU to be able to assign virtual functions to multiple virtual machines, you will need to use NVIDIA Tesla, Quadro, or RTX enterprise GPUs. I think they will not support the feature anywhere in the near future... But this is the first step in the right direction sort of. 2 Quote Link to comment
dada051 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Why "Now if only AMD would make the same gesture... 😉" ? I didn't know that AMD locked the use of pass-through Quote Link to comment
jlficken Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 (edited) Do I still have to pass the vBIOS to the VM? I've been having issues with GPU pass-through and a 1050 Ti where restarting/shutting down a VM will kill the entire unRAID server requiring a restart and parity rebuild. With 14TB drives that very frustrating. I want to try with this new feature to see what happens as I'd love to have a stable VM with GPU pass-through. ETA: It appears you can leave off the vBIOS if you switch to VNC, start the VM, stop the VM, and then switch to GPU w/o specifying the vBIOS ROM. I just got a black screen if I didn't start the VM in VNC mode first. Now to see if my VM issue goes away. Edited April 5, 2021 by jlficken Quote Link to comment
dada051 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 16 hours ago, jlficken said: Do I still have to pass the vBIOS to the VM? I've been having issues with GPU pass-through and a 1050 Ti where restarting/shutting down a VM will kill the entire unRAID server requiring a restart and parity rebuild. With 14TB drives that very frustrating. I want to try with this new feature to see what happens as I'd love to have a stable VM with GPU pass-through. ETA: It appears you can leave off the vBIOS if you switch to VNC, start the VM, stop the VM, and then switch to GPU w/o specifying the vBIOS ROM. I just got a black screen if I didn't start the VM in VNC mode first. Now to see if my VM issue goes away. I think we always need th vBIOS, just, it's not necessary to modify it with an HEX editor to use it. But I'm not sure of what I say. Quote Link to comment
Cuissedemouche Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 It seems like a big news, but I just wonder what exactly it changes since we could already use the passthrough before, like show in some many videos and like I did for a GTX 1060 and a 1070. Is it a different way to setup now? Or were there some older cards that couldn't be passthough no matter what? Quote Link to comment
ChatNoir Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Should prevent the Error 43 (if I remember correctly) some people were having when trying to load a driver in a VM. Quote Link to comment
Maor Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 On 4/1/2021 at 5:44 PM, dada051 said: Why "Now if only AMD would make the same gesture... 😉" ? I didn't know that AMD locked the use of pass-through AMD fixed the reset bug on latest gen of GPUs, so no idea, what the author is talking about. Quote Link to comment
tjb_altf4 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 On 4/1/2021 at 11:44 PM, dada051 said: Why "Now if only AMD would make the same gesture... 😉" ? I didn't know that AMD locked the use of pass-through They didn't lock it, they just refused to fix a bug (hardware reset) that made pass-through unusable. As soon as the community started to build working fixes, AMD's next generation didn't have these issues, but the fixes weren't backported to previous gen. I should also note these hardware reset problems have never appeared in AMD's professional GPU lineup (Quadro competitors), funny that. 1 Quote Link to comment
pervel Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Does this mean I can now remove the vbios from my gaming VM? Is there a performance benefit? Does it perhaps pass the GPU "more directly" through or something like that? 1 Quote Link to comment
tjb_altf4 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Off topic slightly, but wow if accurate https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-gpu-virtualization-unlocked-on-client-gpus 1 Quote Link to comment
Kosmos Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 This would actually be the thing I'm looking for. I would like to assign one gpu to multiple VMs. Can we somehow make this work? Maybe as an Unraid plugin? rel: https://github.com/DualCoder/vgpu_unlock Quote Link to comment
ich777 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 8 hours ago, Kosmos said: This would actually be the thing I'm looking for. I would like to assign one gpu to multiple VMs. As @tjb_altf4 said, this thread has nothing to do with assigning one GPU to multiple VM's. 8 hours ago, Kosmos said: Can we somehow make this work? Maybe as an Unraid plugin? rel: https://github.com/DualCoder/vgpu_unlock This violates the Nvidia EULA, I think you know what that means... Also keep in mind you have to buy licenses from Nvidia for every VM that you want to run a vGPU on. 1 Quote Link to comment
tjb_altf4 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 On 4/11/2021 at 5:43 AM, tjb_altf4 said: Off topic slightly, but wow if accurate https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-gpu-virtualization-unlocked-on-client-gpus For those interested in this, you might want to watch Craft Computing's video. Also goes into some of the background of why Nvidia unlocked virtualization for consumers, tldr it was enabled to get a new hyper-v feature over the line. Quote Link to comment
scorcho99 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Now with proxmox: I'm taking a look at that one tonight. I had no real interest in running a Windows server ever again. Quote Link to comment
jbquintal Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Any ideas as to when we could potentially see this natively supported in unRAID? Quote Link to comment
ich777 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/7/2021 at 11:54 PM, jbquintal said: Any ideas as to when we could potentially see this natively supported in unRAID? I don't think you will see this natively on unRAID since this violates the EULA from Nvidia. Quote Link to comment
tjb_altf4 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 On 7/26/2021 at 12:29 AM, ich777 said: I don't think you will see this natively on unRAID since this violates the EULA from Nvidia. I understand the hack violates the EULA, but I'm curious about how Hyper-V can now support GPU-P which accomplishes the same thing (on both Nvidia and AMD) without creating issues with licensing. We might get lucky and similar changes get adopted in KVM. Another video from Jeff for context 😛 1 Quote Link to comment
ich777 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, tjb_altf4 said: We might get lucky and similar changes get adopted in KVM. I already saw that but I think it's mainly based on that: Click Also keep in mind that the author of this mentioned: Quote Apparently, it works with Nvidia drivers that came out before the VM passthrough enablement. So I don't think Nvidia will allow this on consumer cards and will update their EULA accordingly. 1 hour ago, tjb_altf4 said: I understand the hack violates the EULA I think it will always violate the EULA and if a way is found that doesn't violates the EULA, Nvidia will always update the EULA that it will violate the EULA (that is a confusing sentence but I hope it makes sense... ). Keep in mind everything that Jeff did here will basically work on unRAID with a few differences, but that will always violate the EULA. Quote Link to comment
Jcloud Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 This looks like a fun way to break my system, time to make a few redundant backups of my flash-drive. Thanks for posting all of this. Quote Link to comment
steve1977 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 This does read exciting, but indeed not clear what it actually brings us and what makes it exciting Do we still need to passthrough a vbios? If so, what’s different? Quote Link to comment
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